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OrangeExtremist

Well-known member
I know this is a few days early but I’m interested in everyone’s thoughts here. And let’s face it, if you subscribe to Mike you play madden on franchise mode so you like it too.

I’ll start off by saying I’m not on the fire Dino train. I never have been. A lot of why I think that has to do with finances. But I also do not think he has lost the team. Dan Mullen clearly lost Florida.

I do think we take a hard look at Gilbert. It’s not working. He didn’t help Tommy get through his progressions. We are unable to throw the football with any type of consistency. He’s not as involved in recruiting as you want him to be. I mean Tony White is the one that offered Jalen Daniels. That could be an indication that Gilbert might be on his way out. If they cut ties with Gilbert you don’t want Daniels to be closest to the guy they just fired.

We also have to look at why it is not working on special teams. Lustig left us in as good of shape as possible. And yet the Lou groza award winner is missing kicks you count on him to make. The punting has been bad. We are not covering well on kicks. Reno is running special teams without the official title. I’m guessing he’s relying heavily on cavanaugh who cannot coach actively on game day because of numbers. I may not want to see anyone get fired but we need at least a shuffle. It’s not working.

On defense I think that side of the ball is fairly solid. If a team tries to go after white though idk what you can do. You don’t want to extend him with Dino coming closer to the end of his contract. But you could promote him to associate head coach.

I think on offense we are coming close to the end of the Dino Babers coaching tree. And to be honest the offense is now not new. It’s not catching everyone off guard. It’s not innovative. We are currently a less lethal option team that GT was with the triple option. At a place like Syracuse you need to be unique to win games where you are overmatched on talent and win with scheme.

Ultimately my pros and cons if we make a move this year with Dino:

Pros: 1. I don’t think you worry a lot about losing kids this class with a move. The class is small already. Decommits will happen anyway. Not losing sleep over a class not even up to our standard not coming.

2. The offense is bad. Fresh faces may help inject excitement.

3. With so much movement so far you could potentially get a coach without paying a buyout to a school.

Cons: 1. Financially you could be paying a lot of buy outs. Including Dino, any assistants not retained, and anyone hired. We are doing renovations so a lot of department money is allocated. That could significantly limit our canidate pool. We need to be prepared to offer a coach $5 mill per year. That’s what Rutgers is paying Schiano. If we can only offer $2.5 mill who are we getting? Probably someone worse.

2. Dino has not lost the team.

3. There is a good improvement from last season.

4. This doesn’t really effect my opinion, because players can’t dictate coaching changes or a direction change, but others will agree Tuckers comments were huge.

Ultimately I’m in the camp of keep Dino. Fire Gilbert. Shift around special teams and figure it out. Get a new philosophy on offense that’s not a complete makeover. But is different. I’ve been saying for a while, drop the slots, go double tight spread. It’s unique. We recruit to it easier. And it could feature matchups we could win with easier throws. But we have to be ahead of the curve at Syracuse. Can’t do what everyone else is and expect to win.

The game tomorrow will not effect my opinion at this point. Thoughts?
 

BKCuse

Active member
Dino has proved himself to be too loyal too long to his guys. Gilbert is his guy. I can’t see Dino firing him. Instead he’ll make excuses why the O didn’t work.

Of course part of the reason the O didn’t work (and we didn’t beat Rutgers) is that Dino stayed too loyal for too long to Devito. A guy we all knew wasn’t the answer LAST year.

I’m not on the fire Dino train either. I would LOVE to see a new OC in here and an aggressive approach to the portal. But I’m very concerned Dino isn’t going to deliver on either of those.
 

OrangeExtremist

Well-known member
My problem is Dinos last year might be next year. So what OC would wanna come into that situation, same goes for a Recruiting Coordinator or ST coach.

Good point. Recruiting department lost quite a bit with Kramer and Bartow leaving. I hadn’t thought of that. But one of the bigger reasons why I’m more inclined to keep Dino is because if we moved on I’d want a clean bill and a full canidate pool. If we are paying buyouts the canidate pool will shrink. If we are not prepared to offer a Schiano contract to a new coach we shouldn’t be making a move. We won’t get our guy. Rutgers is a northeast school, we recruit against them regularly. We have to be prepared to at the very least match what they are doing. A fresh face isn’t always better. And I don’t want to limit the canidate pool like that. My biggest reason why I’m a wait and see. I think we made the bed, we lay in it, until we can afford a new bed and not just a comforter. Only having a low salary available to a coach could set us back that much longer.
 
Tucker seems to want Dino back. And without Tucker, is Shrader that big a threat? Especially if he can’t throw. So it makes little sense to move on from Dino this year.

Wildhack has also shown a tendency to be too loyal (see Q), so I don’t see him loving on either.

Syracuse is notoriously cheap too. They usually won’t pay someone to walk.

To me, all signs point to Dino coming back. If Gilbert hasn’t been the one calling plays maybe they get a new OC. But I think Dino is too loyal to make a move their too.
 

OrangeExtremist

Well-known member
Tucker seems to want Dino back. And without Tucker, is Shrader that big a threat? Especially if he can’t throw. So it makes little sense to move on from Dino this year.

Wildhack has also shown a tendency to be too loyal (see Q), so I don’t see him loving on either.

Syracuse is notoriously cheap too. They usually won’t pay someone to walk.

To me, all signs point to Dino coming back. If Gilbert hasn’t been the one calling plays maybe they get a new OC. But I think Dino is too loyal to make a move their too.

And if we wait how much more of a destination are we with brand new facilities? Not that I think it’s a foregone conclusion that Dino is gone. Dino could absolutely have a good season next year and right the ship. And yes Loyalty. La Familia over winning sometimes
 


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