247 Final 2022 Rankings


ThePearl

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247 just posted their top 150. Mintz 54, Bunch 61. That is it. Mintz at 54 is beyond my comprehension. Also difficult to understand the reasoning that would have Mintz and Bunch ranked so close together. Their performances in the NIBC and college readiness are not so close. Not saying Bunch is too high, but Mintz is far too low. Taylor unranked. According to 247, our recruiting class has two four stars and four three stars. Boeheim would vehemently disagree (me too). I hope he's right.

Only AJ Store at 131 made the top 150 off the IMG post grad team. Taylor and Justyn Fernandez dropped from inside the top 100 to outside the top 150. I think that's less a reflection of their play and mostly because they get hidden from analysts at IMG PG, where they don't play the other high school teams. I doubt any analyst has seen them play since last summer. If Justin needs any extra motivation, this might do it.
 

Neil Adler

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Yeah, just saw that as well. Kind of surprised Taylor isn't in the top 150. Regarding Mintz, you think he should be higher? I know ESPN has him at 33, although the 247Sports Composite and the On3 Consensus both have him around 45...
 

ThePearl

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Yeah, just saw that as well. Kind of surprised Taylor isn't in the top 150. Regarding Mintz, you think he should be higher? I know ESPN has him at 33, although the 247Sports Composite and the On3 Consensus both have him around 45...
Mintz used to be ranked in the twenties. He played alongside two five stars and a top fifty guy and yet still was one of the top and most efficient scorers in the NIBC. I have no idea what happened to him in the rankings, but I know there are not 53 other high school players I would rather have next year than Judah. I think he’ll be the most electric player we’ve had since MCW and Dion.
 

rochcuse44

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Hopefully, this is big motivation for Justin Taylor and he comes in with a chip on his shoulder ready to prove the analysts wrong. He has dropped in ranking significantly. I think he’ll be competing with Chris Bunch next year for minutes at the small Forward spot. We’ll be solid and four deep at guard, so he may see some time at SG, but more minutes will be available at SF. When he is a sophomore, he’ll get a chance at more SG time.
 

Neil Adler

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I've wondered, regarding Taylor and Copeland, if playing for the PG team had anything to do with ranking drops, particularly for Taylor. Not sure how often analysts, scouts, etc., would see the IMG post-grad team play versus the national team, etc.
 

ThePearl

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Hopefully, this is big motivation for Justin Taylor and he comes in with a chip on his shoulder ready to prove the analysts wrong. He has dropped in ranking significantly. I think he’ll be competing with Chris Bunch next year for minutes at the small Forward spot. We’ll be solid and four deep at guard, so he may see some time at SG, but more minutes will be available at SF. When he is a sophomore, he’ll get a chance at more SG time.
Speaking of Justin, Donna Ditota is in Virginia watching Justin today (was with Maliq last night). She was asked in the comments about Justin playing forward. Justin’s Mom jumped in and replied. Good to hear, and as I expected. Justin was active in recruiting Mintz and he must’ve realized what that would mean for him and Copeland.
 

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MassaCusetts

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Taylor’s issue is he’s a shooter that has struggled to shoot the last few years. He’s got some serious flaws in his mechanics that are fixable but do need to be addressed. He’s a good player and I like him a lot long term…but personally I think the ranking is fair. And I think the IMG PG team point is very fair.
 

Neil Adler

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Speaking of Justin, Donna Ditota is in Virginia watching Justin today (was with Maliq last night). She was asked in the comments about Justin playing forward. Justin’s Mom jumped in and replied. Good to hear, and as I expected. Justin was active in recruiting Mintz and he must’ve realized what that would mean for him and Copeland.
Justin's Mom is AWESOME!
 

ThePearl

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I've wondered, regarding Taylor and Copeland, if playing for the PG team had anything to do with ranking drops, particularly for Taylor. Not sure how often analysts, scouts, etc., would see the IMG post-grad team play versus the national team, etc.
I would bet never. I get the feeeling most analysts probably don’t watch full games unless they’re five star players or at AAU. I read a lot of analyst comments about Maliq before seeing him play. Nobody once mentioned he’s an excellent passer. It jumped out at me the first few minutes of the first game I watched him and Blue Ridge play.
 

ThePearl

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Taylor’s issue is he’s a shooter that has struggled to shoot the last few years. He’s got some serious flaws in his mechanics that are fixable but do need to be addressed. He’s a good player and I like him a lot long term…but personally I think the ranking is fair. And I think the IMG PG team point is very fair.
Yea, he was billed as a shooter but he hasn’t shot well when I’ve seen him. What do you think needs fixing?
 

MassaCusetts

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I would bet never. I get the feeeling most analysts probably don’t watch full games unless they’re five star players or at AAU. I read a lot of analyst comments about Maliq before seeing him play. Nobody once mentioned he’s an excellent passer. It jumped out at me the first few minutes of the first game I watched him and Blue Ridge play.
They saw them. They still played loaded teams. They just played lousy ball and it hurt them all. Don’t also forget Maliq’s competition was just ok. We’ll see what translates right away or what just takes time.
 

MassaCusetts

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Yea, he was billed as a shooter but he hasn’t shot well when I’ve seen him. What do you think needs fixing?
Guide hand is frequently right on top of the ball or behind it (this is my biggest issue)…his alignment gets all over the place…his elbow can float a little…his release point isn’t always on the way up (except when he’s off the dribble and then things smooth out) and it can get flat/quick.
 

Cusefootball32

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Mintz will be PG1
JG3 SG1
Taylor SF1
Benny PF1
Jesse C1
Torrence might start to begin the year but he's honestly a good 6 man and his passing is a great boost off the bench. He plays kinda like how Rajon Rondo plays nowadays. I just think Mintz will be such a complement to Joe and he will set up Joe so well that I'd be suprised if Joes doesn't avg close to 20 a game just because of how well he'll be set up!
 

ThePearl

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Mintz will be PG1
JG3 SG1
Taylor SF1
Benny PF1
Jesse C1
Torrence might start to begin the year but he's honestly a good 6 man and his passing is a great boost off the bench. He plays kinda like how Rajon Rondo plays nowadays. I just think Mintz will be such a complement to Joe and he will set up Joe so well that I'd be suprised if Joes doesn't avg close to 20 a game just because of how well he'll be set up!
That's my prediction for the starting lineup also. I think Mintz is almost certainly the starter. His biggest concern during recruiting was playing time, that's why he committed to Pitt and was looking closely at DePaul. I don't think he was guaranteed the starting position but he was probably told he can win it. I think he's a made man. Boeheim has his favorites, and it's the guys he can rely on to score in the teens every game. I think he sees Judah that way and he will give him a long rope as a freshman. And I don't know where people get the idea Boeheim doesn't play freshmen, he's had plenty of freshman starters. Boeheim also likes scoring point guards and Symir doesn't give him that. We'll need it with no reliable big scorer at either forward spot. Need three scorers in the lineup.

Taylor vs Bunch at the small forward is a lot more up in the air. It will probably be decided this summer and in early season games. But I think Boeheim always saw Taylor as a freshman starter in place of Buddy and he might still see him as a starter but at forward. Whoever starts, they should both see lots of time. Maybe they end up splitting forty minutes. Taylor could also get a few minutes at the two, it's either him or Judah as Joe's backup.
 

ThePearl

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I think GMac will be a big help to Taylor.
It will be interesting to see if Taylor works with the forwards or guards. I don't know how they do practices but I would expect him to be with the forwards this year when they're in position groups, but he should still be able to work with Gerry too.
 

MassaCusetts

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It will be interesting to see if Taylor works with the forwards or guards. I don't know how they do practices but I would expect him to be with the forwards this year when they're in position groups, but he should still be able to work with Gerry too.
He should work with both. I’m not saying this as a negative at all, just what I think will be the case….if he played the 3 he’s going to struggle to rebound. It’s hard to be “stationary” and have to rebound from that wing spot. Now you’re not really stationary, but that is hard. I’m not sure he or Bunch is ready to do that. They’d rebound better out of a man. That’s my concern. He (or Bunch) can comfortably (relative to skill set, if not execution against P5 guys) play the 3 offensively. I have HUGE concerns about either defensively. Hence why I think they are insane not finding a 4/5 in the portal rather than a 5 stiff.
 

ThePearl

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He should work with both. I’m not saying this as a negative at all, just what I think will be the case….if he played the 3 he’s going to struggle to rebound. It’s hard to be “stationary” and have to rebound from that wing spot. Now you’re not really stationary, but that is hard. I’m not sure he or Bunch is ready to do that. They’d rebound better out of a man. That’s my concern. He (or Bunch) can comfortably (relative to skill set, if not execution against P5 guys) play the 3 offensively. I have HUGE concerns about either defensively. Hence why I think they are insane not finding a 4/5 in the portal rather than a 5 stiff.
Agree. Rebounding is my biggest concern with this team. Like Benny for much of last season, Bunch shows no inclination to rebound. When a shot goes up they both usually watch other guys go get the ball. Hopefully that’s changed with Benny, it began to late last season. Taylor is a more willing rebounder than Bunch and he isn’t afraid of some contact, but he is still undersized and will probably be overmatched under the boards going against college forwards. Rebounding might be the biggest reason why we need to play some man this coming season.

I’m less concerned with their defense. Despite Bunch’s often lackadaisical defensive effort in high school, he has the length and athleticism to be a plus defender in the back of the zone. Obviously the effort and focus every posession need to greatly improve but that’s a relatively easy fix. I did see him occasionally lock in on defense and move his feet. And he likes to be a weakside shot blocker that has been a hallmark of our zone when it’s good. Benny and Bunch are capable of being prototypical forwards in the Syracuse zone.

I think Taylor can be a good defender in man and also in the zone, but to me he seems best suited for guard in our zone. I think our guards have to cover less ground than the forwards do (it seemed to be even more pronounced the last few years with Buddy and Joe). Taylor doesn’t have the length or quickness to be out contesting a three point shot and still get back and defend the rim like we want from our forwards, and he’s not a shot blocker. But with his size at guard and overall athleticism he can be a good defender out front in the zone.
 
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